Wednesday, December 30, 2009

Blocked Again

I haven't written on this blog in a while mainly because they turned Websense back on at work and they block logging into Blogger for some reason, so I can't even write while I am on my lunch break or before and after hours like I have been doing. Also, for a couple of months there wasn't a whole lot of news, just a lot of praying and waiting kind of a deal. The last reason that I haven't posted recently is because I have become extremely busy. I will try to get you caught up on all of the things that have been going on in my discernment process over the past few months.

After my last post, I contacted the vocations director of the diocese where I currently live (remember, I'm discerning through the vocations office of my childhood/hometown diocese). He was very supportive and offered any help, but there does not seem to be any ongoing discernment groups here like there is back in my home diocese. The only event is a once or twice a year interest meeting.

It had actually been over a month since I had heard from or talked to Fr. JS. One Friday, as I was in daily Mass at noon, I was starting to doubt if this path is the one I should be taking and reminded myself that I was hoping that if this is what God intended that the doors for this path would be wide open. Not that it wouldn't be difficult, but that the next step would be clear. At work, I decided that since I hadn't heard from Fr. JS in awhile that maybe I should go out to a bar to enjoy some live music and maybe call up one of my girl friends not as a date, but as company. And maybe see if I should start looking at the dating scene again. Low and behold, by the end of the day, I had an email from Fr. JS saying that he was sorry for being out of touch, but he had knee surgery and was wanting to get together by the end of November.

I made a trip up to meet with him at a small sit-down restaurant in the downtown area of a small town where he was giving a class that morning. We just talked for a while and we both had some questions for each other and he asked me if I had thought about starting the application and told me a little about what that meant, but didn't go into great detail. I wasn't too sure about that just yet. We left knowing a bit more about each other and a little bit more about the process. During our meeting we had to comment and laugh about the number of couples being escorted back to check out the reception area that day, they were lining up one after the other.

The next Sunday, my co-catechist, CO, for the 9th grade class I teach asked me after class if I have been considering the priesthood and where I was in the discernment process. She did not know about any of this before and I was a little taken aback. I told her a bit about what was going on, since if it continued, she would have to know why I was going to be continually gone on the weekends.

As I had been praying about the application of which Fr. JS spoke in our last meeting and CO had talked to me about furthering discernment out of the blue, I decided that this was a sign that I should start the application. I called up Fr. JS and told him and he told me more in depth about the application process, which I will describe later. But, most importantly he said that once you start the application process the diocese considers your discernment more of a matter of public record and that I needed to talk to my family before starting the application process.

Over Thanksgiving weekend when my brother, his wife, and my parents were altogether I took them out to a nice restaurant to tell them lots of good news including my discernment, as well as paying off my debt and loosing some weight. My sister, LM, had a lot of questions since she was raised Lutheran and joined the Church a couple of years ago just before they married. No one was too shocked, but they were surprised by the news and of course were supportive as we always are of each other. The next day at my grandparents' house my Dad wanted me to set near him on the couch and then said he was proud.

That week I called Fr. JS and told him that I had talked to my parents. The very next weekend I was in town again so we met at a restaurant and he gave me the application packet and went through it page by page taking a look at it. The application process for priestly formation, at least in this diocese, contains 4 steps. The first step involves a 58 question application, getting 5 names for letters of recommendation, 8 1 page short answer questions, 2 3-5 page essay questions, 2 copies of transcrpts, 2 copies of sacramental records, consent forms, safe environment training, and a physical. That is just the first step in the process! He also explained to me that there was a dinner with the bishop and seminarians To which I was invited at the rectory of the cathedral during the Fourth Week of Advent and it would be good to turn in some of the application that week.

So, I had to get busy. I did the research to get the 58 questions filled out, scheduled a physical, got my sacramental records, and filled out the consent forms. That was the part I turned in. I was still waiting for one of my references to get back with me and I had gone into church in front of the blessed sacramen to write up outlines for all of the writings I would have to do, but did not get a chance to type them and proofread before that week.

The dinner was great. It was good to finally get to meet the new bishop who was installed after I moved to another diocese as well as meeting and talking to a bunch of guys who were/are going through some of the same things. I met with the administrator in the vocations office, BG, the next day to turn in the materials I had completed and then went to my alma mater to order transcripts.

On Christmas, I had both of my grandparents open a package which contained the first page of my application packet at the same time to tell them. There were lots of tears shed, only by my grand parents. Which gets us all caught up in this blog.

Next, I will be going to a discernment retreat this weekend at St. Meinrad Archabbey and Seminary. Also, I have setup an initial formal meeting with the Vocations Director, Fr. BB, the following weekend. Remember Fr. JS is the Assistant Vocations Director. I will let you know how both of those events go, but for now, I am trying to type in all of those papers I need to get done for step 1 as well as my job, youth ministry, my R.E. Lesson plans, godfather responsblities and a myriad of other tasks on which I am falling behind.

Dominus Vobiscum

Monday, September 14, 2009

Further Into Discernment

Well, I went through the little booklet mentioned in the last post. I went through one spiritual lesson a day but repeated some of the spiritual lessons either the very next day or after going through them all. That is a wonderful and great resource for anyone who is prayerfully considering discerning a vocation to the priesthood.

I sent an email to Fr. JS about having gone through the resources he sent, some of my thoughts, and my willingness to meet. I didn't hear from him in over a week, but I didn't fret and I know he is a busy man. I took off all of Labor Day week to be with friends and family and get away from the stressful work environment. During the first weekend up there, I went to see JS, DS, and their new baby, and my future goddaughter ES! On my way out, I called and left a message with both Fr. JS and Fr. JN. Fr. JS called me right back and said that he was just getting ready to start his retreat in Colorado and had been on vacation the previous week. But, he did want to meet the following Sat.

We met up at a Bob Evans to talk over coffee and biscuits and gravy, yum. He explained some of the process and that I'd already been through a sort of filter before getting to the face-to-face meeting part even if the hoops didn't seem very high to jump through. But, he gave me some examples of extreme conditions in the past where any sane person would realize there would be some issues.

Again he reiterated that the process is not only my discernment of being called to be a priest, but the Church also discerning whether I should be a priest. He said that there are different answers from the Church that could crop up in discernment.

The first is no. If the Church, at any time, determines that the answer is going to be no, then they will go ahead and say that and not string anyone along. He said that it is possible to get closer to the end of this part of the discernment stage and the answer still be no, but it usually comes much earlier than that.

Another answer is yes, but there are issues that should be dealt with immediately. He didn't go into what issues they maybe, but he did say that if they aren't dealt with in a timely fashion that the process would be terminated.

Another answer is yes, we think you might be called to the priesthood and have you enter seminary.

And the last one was yes, we think the seminary might be beneficial to your formation, but you probably aren't called to be a priest.

He said that some people are permitted to go to the seminary after a period of discernment not with the intention of them becoming a priest, but they see a benefit in the discerner spending a few years in the seminary for formation for a different capacity and they still look at these discerners as successes.

He explained that there are different levels of discernment, that the first phase is considered a contact where you are in the initial stages of contact with the diocese. Basically, it is up to the person to keep in contact with the diocese about discernment. Next is being a discerner, where it is a little more official, there are more face-to-face meetings, and the answers above usually come up. If the diocese doesn't hear from the discerner for a period of time, they will make contact to see if the discerner has made their own decision to stop or need more resources. There are also retreats, support groups of other discerners in the diocese, psychological and medical evaluations that would be conducted during this period. This phase usually takes 3-6 months with 3 months being a rushed case and not normal, but some men have taken 3 years to discern during this stage. The next step would be application to the seminary. Applications for seminary usually go out in December to enter seminary for the following fall semester. After that would you would become a seminarian where, of course, the process takes a more serious turn and not just with the studies. The seminary takes about 6 years for someone with a college degree, but without a theological degree such as myself, but there are times when there may need to be a year off or extra pastoral service in between some years of seminary. After the 3rd year of theology studies you are ordained a deacon and receive the sacraments of Holy Orders, he said that all questions should be answered by that time since it is an actual ordination and the following year be ordained a priest.

He did ask me about what got me to this point and let me talk for quite a bit about that. He asked me about having to move away from family and how that was for me, since I've already done that, and how I was able to meet people and what my life and activities were like after moving away. He asked if I've ever attempted marriage before a minister or judge. He asked about my involvement at my parish. He also asked if I owned a house. I offered up the information that I was living debt-free which he said that I was more ahead of the game then most people at this point.

I asked the question about a spiritual director since I've never gone that route before. He said that spiritual directors are helpful, but essentially difficult to find. Even lay spiritual directors. He said they have a list of trained spiritual directors in the diocese office, but more than likely when you call most of them they will say that they are too busy. He also said, that it takes a few months to get into a trusting relationship with a spiritual director and if you end up going to the seminary within a year or so, then you really only have a spiritual director for a few months. His opinion is that they are useful if you think you will be discerning for a while or have some serious struggles you know that are keeping you really torn between different vocations and that you can spend a decent amount of time with a spiritual director. But, with someone like me who might be able to go to the seminary sooner rather than later, it is probably better to wait for the seminary where there are dedicated and mandatory spiritual directors. But, we did decide that it is probably a good idea to go ahead and talk to my pastor about my discernment and maybe check in with him on a monthly basis for a quick few moments.

In all he said that he determined I wasn't a psycho, schismatic, or anything else that would preclude me from moving on in my discernment and handed me a form to fill out with my contact information to officially become a discerner in the diocese. So, as of a little after Noon on Sept. 12, 2009 I'm officially a discerner in the diocese.

Of course, he had another appointment to rush off to, but he said that we would be in touch. I've been pretty content that I've moved on so far and that is currently where I stand.

Dominus Vobiscum

Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Is Jesus Christ Calling You To Be A Catholic Priest?: A Helpful Guide

This is the resource sent to me by the Associate Vocations Director and published by the NCDVD. The booklet is broken down into an introduction and 10 spiritual lessons. If you get your hands on one of these booklets, I will recommend the same that was suggested to me, is to pray through each of these lessons for 11 days instead of reading it cover to cover.



Dominus Vobiscum

Friday, August 14, 2009

Lots of work, little time

Wow, I didn't mean to go quite so long without writing on here. I've had some deadlines at work that have kept me busy and I had to find the time to update here as well as edit my past posts. I've talked to another priest that has the same first name as Fr. JN, so I had to read through all of the previous posts and add another intial to references to him so I could talk about both of them and not get confused. Although not much has been happening on this blog, things have still been happening in my discernment process.

I did meet with Fr. JN before he had a wedding to do on a Saturday and I had a baby party to attend for a soon to be godchild. We had a good discussion about what I've been doing and feeling and about his calling and discernment and some of what he sees and does as a priest. He did tell me that when he was at my home parrish when I was young he thought there were 2 young men that would make good priests and I was one of them. That was nice to hear from him. At the end he gave me the number for the Associate Vocations Director and said that I should definitely give him a call.

Later, as I said, I went to a baby party for my best friends DS and JS. I told them that I talked to Fr. JN earlier that day and hadn't gone into what I talked about before DS said that it was about time and she had been thinking that I would be a good priest for awhile now and wondered when I might start considering it, and she's a baptist. Later on I had a long talk with JS, we've been friends since high school and both stick to Church teachings fairly closely. I was glad that I was able to talk to him about it.

I continued praying about it for about a week before I called Fr. JS, from the vocations office. I had to leave a message with the secretary, but he called me back later the same day and talked with me. It was a fairly similar conversation to what I had with Fr. JN, but a little about his story and that discernment is a process where either the discerner or the Church and step out at any spot along the way. He gave me his personal number and told me to email him all of my information so he could send me a discernment packet with an information booklet from the diocese and another booklet with short lessons that I'm supposed to pray one each day and then contact him if I am still interested afterwards. So, I'll be starting that either today or tomorrow.

Also, with coverage of the Knights of Columbus Supreme Convention on both EWTN and the Catholic Channel, I decided to fill out an inquiry form on the website. There are 3 councils in this county and I think all 3 of them contacted me. So, I met with a young man and we talked over lunch after noon Mass. He said that he would get my information to the right person and he thinks there is a 1st degree ceremony going to be held within the next few weeks. So, I suppose that I'm going to go ahead and join the Knights of Columbus soon.

So, I've been busy. Busy at work. Busy helping with my godson's family. Busy praying and slowing taking each step in this discernment processes. But, I'm still here. I haven't given up on discernment, or this blog. At least not yet. Have a happy Feast of St. Maximillian Kolbe today.

Dominus Vobiscum

Thursday, July 2, 2009

God love the musicians

I'm a musician, well,... a singer anyway. So, choir practice was last night and there is a new guitar player there, the pianist and another singer. A light night. Others had family issues come up. So, I get pegged to cantor this Sunday.

Well, the new guitarist starts talking about how he thought this was listed as a contemporary Mass and he wanted it more contemporary and we should be pushing the congregation more in that direction and the pianist was agreeing with him. He goes into his version of the story about the parish he used to play at. They called it the "Rock Mass" and had "FULL AMPLIFICATION" and they did this for 10 years without anyone complaining and the new priest had come in and kicked them out and "he was mean about it." I have a feeling that there is more to the story than just a mean priest kicking out the choir.

It is kind of funny that earlier yesterday, I was looking for something else and came across the 88 page document "Sing to the Lord: Music in Divine Worship" released by the USCCB 2 years ago. I held my toungue during practice (I especially didn't bring up the fact that we are supposed to be throwing in Latin every once in a while). I didn't want to excite anyone too much inside the church building. When we were leaving, and he mentioned a couple of more things about his former situation, I did say something about there being a time and place for everthing. I figured I wouldn't say anything at the time, but prayerfully consider the words to use and maybe bring up the topic and the document next week.

I've been out of parish work for awhile now and doing volunteer work like choir, youth group, catechist, lector, etc. It just reminded me of all the other stuff that priests have to go through. I guess it is a good test to see if I can pastorally make an impression that as musicians we should be assisting worship and not trying to entertain or especially be trying to "push" anyone. I would be more than happy to go to the pastor to try to convice him to open the hall for a praise and worship service outside of the Mass if that is what this person feels called to do.

Dominus Vobiscum

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Fr. Corapi on the call to the priesthood

Something I found interesting while seaching last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XptrJNoLBeI

Dominus Vobiscum

Monday, June 29, 2009

Thinking about the money

I've always been pretty practical with my money. I don't excessively spend money and look for bargains. Like saving my money and letting it make more money if I'm not being charitable with it. I've only gone in debt a couple of times and most of my debt was in student loans. Since I am literally just finishing up paying off my first round of student loans, I got to thinking about how to pay for seminary if this is my calling in life.

I think I've heard before that my home diocese will foot the seminary bill as long as you become a priest, or if not you have to pay it back as a loan later on. But, what if they don't? Do I take out $20,000 a year for 4-5 years in more student loans to go from a 60k job to a 20k job?

I've also seen where the Knights of Columbus have several scholarship programs. Some on the Supreme Council (National) level and some at the local Council level. I was kind of waiting for a personal invitation to a local council to join the knights, but should I go ahead and join. Would it be wrong if that was the biggest motivation for me to look into joining on my own volition? Would it be wrong to solicit both the council here, where I'm currently living, and the council serving my home parish, where I am originally from and probably would enter the seminary through? I also think the Serra Club probably has scholarship opportunities and probably others I haven't heard of. Anyone know of others?

What about other living costs not associated with the seminary such as insurance, taxes, clothes, gas money? Do I work through seminary? I've heard of other priests in other dioceses around the world who had to do that, but most of the seminaries I know are in rural settings. Does that mean I should look into seminaries in metropolitan areas such as Baltimore, D.C., Chicago, etc.? Is it feasible to work and make decent money while in the seminary? Having to limit social activities such as sports, movies, and others doesn't bother me, but does it fit in with the prayer life and all of the work that goes with theological studies?

I know, I'm sure that vocations directors go through this all of the time and have plenty of ways and suggestions on how to make things work, but I tend to think out and plan the ways I use money, and it is just one more thing on my mind.

Dominus Vobiscum